Talk:Samuel's Proposal for Training Missions - Revision history

Max.Jeffcott at 01:53, 22 March 2011

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Exonar at 06:43, 24 July 2010

2010-07-24T06:43:31Z

IronyFail at 03:49, 18 July 2010

2010-07-18T03:49:26Z

IronyFail at 00:59, 28 May 2010

2010-05-28T00:59:52Z

Darth Wombat at 02:15, 30 March 2010

2010-03-30T02:15:43Z

Stefanido: New page: ==Holding back information== Mission Control may have legitimate reasons for holding back information. For instance, if it is impossible for the Habitat to fix an issue before moving on to...

2010-03-30T01:56:43Z

New page: ==Holding back information== Mission Control may have legitimate reasons for holding back information. For instance, if it is impossible for the Habitat to fix an issue before moving on to...

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==Holding back information==
Mission Control may have legitimate reasons for holding back information. For instance, if it is impossible for the Habitat to fix an issue before moving on to the next most important task, Mission Control may hold back potential solutions, while ordering the astronauts to the next task. It is Mission Control's duty to make sure that the astroanuts accomplish their goals, and it is the Mission Control Commander's or any Flight Director's perogative to decide which information the Habitat needs in order to best fulfill their duties. Of course, as a perennial astronaut, I am for full disclosure. However, the Mission Control Commander's authority is absolute. He is in charge of the mission. Period. [[User:Stefanido|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)

==Punishment==
Perhaps not punishment, but simulator reaction to astronaut action is the duty of the simulator. For instance, during [[Daedalus 2010]], Jeffcott and I were watching the Simulator Mezzanine. There had been a short on the secondary power bus, and the astronauts were flicking the lights on and off. Jeffcott and I, as simulators, determined that this flickering would exacerbate the short, and proceeded to cause ln1 to malfunction and disabled the C&C lights. This sort of reaction and quick thinking is ''absolutely'' the job of the simulator, and is not so much punishment of the astronauts as it is an attempt to simulate how the real world might interact with the astronauts. [[User:Stefanido|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)

==Goals==
In my opinion, your proposals miss the main issue with training missions as they currently stand. The number one problem with training missions as they are executed today is that there are no clear-cut goals for the astronauts to pursue and for Mission Control to direct them towards. I feel that if a training mission had one or two well defined goals and several clear-cut end conditions, training missions would proceed with much more expediency and interest. "This is what we have to do. Now let's figure out how to do it." [[User:Stefanido|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)

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	:I believe the latter is rather likely. - [[User:Exonar\|Exonar]] 02:43, 24 July 2010 (EDT)		:I believe the latter is rather likely. - [[User:Exonar\|Exonar]] 02:43, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
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		+	Let it be known that I completely agree with this proposal. [[User:Max.Jeffcott\|Max.Jeffcott]] 21:53, 21 March 2011 (EDT)

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	Mr. Samuel Baltz, I am requesting that you stop reading my mind. Either that or everyone reacts the same way when inexperienced simulators happen. [[User:IronyFail\|<font color="green">IronyFail</font> <font color="red">in ANAGL</font><font color="#0000FF">YPH 3D!</font>]] 23:49, 17 July 2010 (EDT)		Mr. Samuel Baltz, I am requesting that you stop reading my mind. Either that or everyone reacts the same way when inexperienced simulators happen. [[User:IronyFail\|<font color="green">IronyFail</font> <font color="red">in ANAGL</font><font color="#0000FF">YPH 3D!</font>]] 23:49, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
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		+	:I believe the latter is rather likely. - [[User:Exonar\|Exonar]] 02:43, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

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	This, This is beautiful. This made me cry when I read it. I completely agree with everything outlined in this proposal. [[User:IronyFail\|IronyFail in ANAGLYPH 3D!]] 20:59, 27 May 2010 (EDT)		This, This is beautiful. This made me cry when I read it. I completely agree with everything outlined in this proposal. [[User:IronyFail\|IronyFail in ANAGLYPH 3D!]] 20:59, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
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		+	Mr. Samuel Baltz, I am requesting that you stop reading my mind. Either that or everyone reacts the same way when inexperienced simulators happen. [[User:IronyFail\|<font color="green">IronyFail</font> <font color="red">in ANAGL</font><font color="#0000FF">YPH 3D!</font>]] 23:49, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

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	In my opinion, your proposals miss the main issue with training missions as they currently stand. The number one problem with training missions as they are executed today is that there are no clear-cut goals for the astronauts to pursue and for Mission Control to direct them towards. I feel that if a training mission had one or two well defined goals and several clear-cut end conditions, training missions would proceed with much more expediency and interest. "This is what we have to do. Now let's figure out how to do it." [[User:Stefanido\|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)		In my opinion, your proposals miss the main issue with training missions as they currently stand. The number one problem with training missions as they are executed today is that there are no clear-cut goals for the astronauts to pursue and for Mission Control to direct them towards. I feel that if a training mission had one or two well defined goals and several clear-cut end conditions, training missions would proceed with much more expediency and interest. "This is what we have to do. Now let's figure out how to do it." [[User:Stefanido\|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
	:I agree that we need that. That, however, is not all that we need. Would you like to add it as an amendment? - [[User:Darth Wombat\|Darth Wombat]] 22:15, 29 March 2010 (EDT)		:I agree that we need that. That, however, is not all that we need. Would you like to add it as an amendment? - [[User:Darth Wombat\|Darth Wombat]] 22:15, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
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		+	This, This is beautiful. This made me cry when I read it. I completely agree with everything outlined in this proposal. [[User:IronyFail\|IronyFail in ANAGLYPH 3D!]] 20:59, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

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 ==Holding back information==
 Mission Control may have legitimate reasons for holding back information. For instance, if it is impossible for the Habitat to fix an issue before moving on to the next most important task, Mission Control may hold back potential solutions, while ordering the astronauts to the next task. It is Mission Control's duty to make sure that the astroanuts accomplish their goals, and it is the Mission Control Commander's or any Flight Director's perogative to decide which information the Habitat needs in order to best fulfill their duties. Of course, as a perennial astronaut, I am for full disclosure. However, the Mission Control Commander's authority is absolute. He is in charge of the mission. Period. [[User:Stefanido|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
 ==Punishment==
 Perhaps not punishment, but simulator reaction to astronaut action is the duty of the simulator. For instance, during [[Daedalus 2010]], Jeffcott and I were watching the Simulator Mezzanine. There had been a short on the secondary power bus, and the astronauts were flicking the lights on and off. Jeffcott and I, as simulators, determined that this flickering would exacerbate the short, and proceeded to cause ln1 to malfunction and disabled the C&C lights. This sort of reaction and quick thinking is ''absolutely'' the job of the simulator, and is not so much punishment of the astronauts as it is an attempt to simulate how the real world might interact with the astronauts. [[User:Stefanido|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
 ==Goals==
 In my opinion, your proposals miss the main issue with training missions as they currently stand. The number one problem with training missions as they are executed today is that there are no clear-cut goals for the astronauts to pursue and for Mission Control to direct them towards. I feel that if a training mission had one or two well defined goals and several clear-cut end conditions, training missions would proceed with much more expediency and interest. "This is what we have to do. Now let's figure out how to do it." [[User:Stefanido|-- Stefanido]] 21:56, 29 March 2010 (EDT)